From Will Leitch:
If it feels like we’ve all been expecting a Yankees-Dodgers World Series most of our lives, it’s because we have.
Since these two teams last faced each other in the 1981 Fall Classic, the Yankees have had a winning record 38 out of the 43 complete seasons and made the playoffs 25 of those 43 seasons; the Dodgers have had a winning season 36 out of those 43 seasons and made the playoffs 21 of those 43 seasons. The Yankees had reached seven World Series since 1981; the Dodgers had reached four. And yet: They’d never crossed paths. Until now.
I don’t doubt that there are some of you who groaned when you realized that it would be the Dodgers and Yankees facing each other in the World Series. I get it. These are two franchises that you couldn’t escape even if you wanted to.
They play on opposites coasts in cities that are in many ways the social, cultural and financial capitals of the country, cities that are two of the most popular tourist attractions, cities that kids in every town in America dream of maybe running away to someday. They have big payrolls and equally massive ambitions, the sort of franchises (and fanbases) that are never satisfied with anything less than winning the World Series every year. They have long, rich histories; they have iconic uniforms; they have celebrity fans. No matter how much you might try to focus on your own team, you still get a little sick of the Yankees and Dodgers. It feels like they’re everywhere.
I understand all this, but I’d argue — and I suspect the television ratings we’ll see over the course of this series will agree with me on this — that this all makes you more likely to be enraptured by this series than less. You can love the Dodgers and Yankees, you can hate the Dodgers and Yankees, but you cannot, ever, ignore the Dodgers and Yankees. To truly ignore the Dodgers and Yankees, after all, would be to ignore baseball entirely.
Interesting article. I honestly just wanted SOMEthing up there, and most of the other articles were kind of dumb.
The featured image is a reminder that when the Dodgers took two out of three against the Yankees back in June, Juan Soto’s only involvement in that series was to pretend to pinch-hit late in the game. So this will be Soto’s first series against the Dodgers. Hopefully it goes well for him.
Also, let’s hope that the Yankees can finally get Teoscar Hernandez out at the plate. That dude KILLED them.
And yes, the whole “These guys AGAIN?” is really stupid. And one last thing that annoys me, when people use the fact that the Dodgers’ payroll is wrapped up in stuff other than their specific World Series roster, so that they try to act like the Dodgers’ payroll is LOWER than the Yankees when it very much is NOT. The Yankees have spent a shit ton of money on their team this year, but they are behind both the Mets and the Dodgers this year. Don’t believe anyone who tries to tell you otherwise.
From Jayson Stark at The Athletic:
No way, Shohei.
Please, no Trevino on the WS roster.
Bill Bevens and Cookie Lavagetto, Billy Martin, Mantle, Scooter and Berra vs Duke, Pee Wee and Campanella, Podres, Larsen, Koufax, Reggie and GOAT Brian Doyle.
You forgot Jackie.
And Whitey.
And Joe D.
Al Gionfriddo
The ratings will be huge. The Yankees are America’s most loved (and hated) team in all surveys. Depending on what you’re reading the Cubs or Dodger or townies are second most popular.
The ratings began to sag a bit by 2003, as they were in the series seemingly every year.
I agree that they’ll be good this year, though.
That was the Marlins. This is the Dodgers and Judge, Soto, Ohtani and Betts.
I did not realize in ’81 that Gator and Tommy John combined for 27 innings of 4-run baseball. Two relievers submarined the whole damn Series and Bob Lemon kept trotting them out there.
Aaron Boone is gonna find his Ron Davis and George Frazier, ain’t he?
George Frazier 0-3 16 era
I think he already found him, his initials are C.H.
Its amazing which details you remember from these series almost half a century ago.
Who could forget Bob Lemon sending in a pinch hitter for Tommy John in the fourth inning of a tie game. As I write this, I realize that its normal to pull a starter that early now, it was lunacy in 1981 I don’t even remember watching the the rest of the game. I’m not sure that I did.
Billy Martin 500/1478 1953 series
Ohtani is 18 for his last 22 with RISP. Hey Yankees – pay attention!
A brief history of Yankee Dodgers
https://x.com/cbssportsmlb/status/1848726897494053352?s=61&t=fhOaqwtc8q2TMSXUDRjPeg
Almost Yankee Flaherty game 1, never was going to be a Yankee Yamamoto game 2
Gibson started 3 games in a World Series 3 times, Lolich was 3-0 starting 3 games in 1968. Has anyone started 3 World Series games since?
Schilling did in 2001.
Mickey Lolich is a local out here in Portlandia. He owned a blueberry farm and farm store on the edge of the Hertz map, which gradually surrendered from being farmland into subdivisions and condos over the years I’ve lived here (since ’95) About 5 years ago they finally bought him out and it is now medium density condos, townhomes, and snout houses.
I am sure the developers paid good coin to the land, so good for him. The worst thing that can happen is for civilization to spread to just short of your land, leaving you unable to sell out, but with all the problems of town and none of the benefits of rural.
Just checked, he is still alive. I hope he is well.
What’s the RLYW breakdown on watching plans?
At home?
At a bar?
Gathering in Times Square to watch the crude illuminated scoreboard on the side of the Times building over the din of Model Ts and street trolleys?
Generally at home. Although I was exploring the idea of getting a ticket for at least one of the NY games. At the prices on the resale market, however, I will not. But I was thinking about it.
Just saw Sturgill Simpson at Forest Hills and was driving home past the stadium the next day and I was thinking about how I’ve never been to a playoff baseball game let alone a world series.
I’ll be at amity hall downtown if anyone wants to join
I also thought about trying to go to a game, but pretty much immediately put that to bed when I saw the prices.
I’ll mostly watch from home, but will catch at least 1 game from a bar.
Why does Judge feel the necessity to refer to Ohtani as the best player in the game? I don’t get it; heck, Ohtani doesn’t play the field.
That’s just his nature and I think his humility is more sincere than Jeter’s.
He just said it in passing, in the flow of speech. It’s not as if Bill James wrote an article with that claim. I assume he meant that he not only hits very well, but has speed and can not only throw, but even pitch with the best of them.
Because he is? Judge is the only hitter in baseball who is clearly better than him but Shohei also pitches and he just stole 50 bases. As much as I love Judge it’s hard to argue Ohtani isn’t better and he’s certainly more sensational as a two-way player.
Also most people think of him as the best player in baseball and maybe even the best ever. I would guess Judge is honestly one of those people.
Judge is the superior offensive player even with the stolen bases. The pitching is the argument. It’s a compelling argument, but also take into account that he does NOT hit like this, or steal this many bases, if he’s pitching that year.
More specifically apropos of Judge’s comments, two things:
A) right now, Ohtani is NOT a two-way player, and
B) Judge kept coming back to the base stealing in that interview, but his silence suggests he wasn’t saying that with the (once and future?) pitching aspect of Ohtani’s game in mind.
There is no legit argument that Ohtani is the best player ever. He isn’t. And SB? People ignore that stat, bigly for decades, there isn’t even a metric about it that I know of. As my original post mentioned, he’s a DH, he doesn’t play the field.
Ohtani is 100% the best baseball player in baseball. He’s not the best hitter, or the best pitcher, but he’s a top 5 hitter and top 30 pitcher. That’s wild.
He’s been injured pitching twice now. And he’s a pure DH (8.1 total innings in the OF), he doesn’t play in the field. Also, MLB needed to make a special rule for Ohtani, on days he starts as a pitcher and can also be written in twice once as the SP, once as DH, such a BS rule.
Judge being Jeter.
If Judge beats him out, he’s an aw-shucks guy who outdid “The Best Player”. If he loses, he lost to the best. No downside, all upside for his image and legacy.
If he challenges it, he comes off like Reggie. Whom I loved, but not everyone’s cup of tea.
Ex-Bonds, Judge has the two highest season wRC+ with 500 minimum PA’s since 1961.
It depends upon what you mean.
A. If, as Clay does, you add up the value of each of his talents, you’d probably argue that he’s the best.
B. If you look at what he is right now, this year – e.g., sans pitching, sans fielding – then he’s definitely not the best, although still extraordinary.
C. You also might consider what he can actually do, practically – that is, if he pitches, he won’t be hitting as much or as well as this year. His top effort – hitting and pitching and fielding as much as he can simultaneously – might well make him the best in baseball, but it’s not nearly as clear a case as approach A. would provide.
Ohtani has put up one of the best offensive seasons of this era including being the first ever 50/50, he’s been near MVP level as a hitter before and on top of that he’s put up Cy Young caliber pitching. Yes, he lacks a long track record, especially as a pitcher. He also has nearly 44 combined WAR. Injuries and the toll of pitching and hitting will keep him from being the all-time WAR leader and maybe from getting 500 HRs and some other milestones. But if you were building a perfect baseball player, it would be him. He has more baseball skills than anyone we’ve ever seen at this level. He’s literally doing something we all thought was impossiboe until he did it, and then he kept getting better. And don’t act like Judge doesn’t have blemishes due to injury, late start and inconsisten track record. We can’t act like Judge has always been who he’s been for the past 3 seasons. Or like he’ll be that for much longer.
I think it’s perfectly reasonable, if no inarguable, that Ohtani is the best player ever.
https://www.mlb.com/news/nestor-cortes-hopeful-for-world-series-roster
Who doesn’t make it? Trent, Martian or Berti?
Going by playing time, the most like to be left off would be Trent, the most certain to be retained would first-base wizard Berti.
Fernando Valenzuela passed away.
https://www.mlb.com/news/fernando-valenzuela-dies
In theory if there are 3 rainouts Game 7 could be on Election Day.
Christ that would be enough to give me stroke.
See, and I think it sounds like a massively welcome distraction.
Puts the little things, like the election, in context.
Discussing paying $1k+ for a WS ticket. I’d do it if I knew they’d win the game. But imagine paying that and sitting in 40 degrees and a bit rainy to watch them lose 7-2. Ugh.
Yep. It takes a lot of confidence if you’re buying on the resale market. $2000+ for a seat in the right field 100s, $14k for a seat behind the Yankee dugout. That could be worth it if I can shit talk Boone’s decisions.
Six times the leagues’ home run champions have met in the series.
This will be the seventh.
In seven of those seven meetings, the AL home run champion will have been a Yankee.
The new Checked-Swing challenge being used in the Arizona Fall League absolutely needs to be implemented into baseball ASAP
Get the calls right, let the human element be the actual humans playing the game.
https://x.com/CalicoJoeMLB/status/1849159018297635106
From your keyboard to God’s ears.
By the way, if THAT LINE is the rule, then NONE of those calls were swings. None.
That line is crazy. If the intent is to make it easier check a swing, then it makes sense, but this makes me think they want more check swings to be called balls. I don’t think I agree with that.
I think the core of the checked swing problem is the clarity of the rule and the enforcement issues are primarily a symptom of that. It definitely should be a rule that is enforced automatically by a camera. The line they are using needs to be reconsidered though.
I th8nk they should eliminate the check swing, as in, if you try to stop your swing, it’s not a swing ans the pitch is called for its location. tmThis would immediately reduce strikeouts and improve run scoring, and we could do away with the guessing that umps do to enforce a totally vague rule.
It needs work, which is why it is being experimented with in the AZFL first, but headed in the right direction.
What’s the excuse for so long to start he darned WS? Seems like a week already.
Two weekends of TV, no competition Sunday Football.
It’s interesting that the 2016 Cubs, who seemed tipped for a dynasty, didn’t have a single future Hall of Famer. I’m sure that happens from time to time but that team seemed so good at the time.
I think Lester miiiiiiiiiight make it.
Bryant seemed a sure thing at the time.
Hard to believe it’s been 15 years since the Yankees’ last World Series appearance. The last drought, from ’81 to ’96, seemed a lot longer though. I suppose that’s because (1) until ’95 they didn’t even make the playoffs – which were harder to make back then and (2) 15 years at that point was almost half my life. Now it’s only a quarter. Funny how time works.
1978 until 1996 for a WS win. So 18 years.
Interestingly, Ippei Mizuhara has his sentencing set for October 25.
The Athletic: How the ‘best’ Yankees team in years also became the closest
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5868233/2024/10/24/yankees-team-bonding-world-series/
World
Series,
baby!
Rumors have it, though I’ve yet to see it. 😎
This is so absurd.
They made a special rule, violating the entire history of baseball, so he could be written in TWICE in a lineup on days he was the SP, once as SP, once as the DH.
He’s a DH, having played 8.1 innings in the field.
What does that have to do with anything? Name a player who can hi anywhere near as good as him and even credibly pitch. Or explain why excelling at the two major and completely distinct skills of baseball isn’t unheard of?
Best player EVER?
Ohtani’s not the best player ever. Almost all the time Babe was a pitcher, for example, they didn’t let him hit they way they have Ohtani (the did for a short stretch, and it was… impressive). Ohtani’s never going to outpace his entire sport the way Ruth did, and when he starts hitting numbers like 700 home runs we can start talking about it.
Best player NOW – that’s an argument you can make. But it depends on what you *mean* by that (I wrote about that above, won’t repeat it here).
I don’t think Ohtani is the best player ever, that’s a tough argument even when you get into the difficulty of comparing across drastically different eras. But he’s definitely in the running for right now (I believe he is).
I will be interested to see how the Dodgers handle him compared to the Angels. I think we could see him in the field far more often.
What makes you think they’ll play him in the field more often? He’s only played in the filed 8.1 innings in his career, none in 2024. First base? I suppose, but what suggests they will do that?
Updated zip odds.
https://x.com/riveraveblues/status/1849535765589655861?s=61&t=fhOaqwtc8q2TMSXUDRjPeg
Cashman going at Houston HARD in his press for this World Series is pretty hilarious.
Please elaborate
He’s been saying how much he hates the fact that the Yankees’ gap between World Series appearances is such a big narrative, because he feels that they were cheated out of trips to the World Series in 2017 and 2019.
Okay, but why is it hilarious?
Is it not true?
If he said that openly, kind of makes me like him a bit more.
If they have to keep boone, and maybe he’s good with a lot of intangibles (maybe)… can’t they just get him his very own Don Zimmer to tell him what to do during the games?
He has a .282 career BA.
Don, I think the “and…” is critical to that sentence.
Reading was never really his thing…
Well, since he’s pitched far less because of injuries, we can only really base the totality of his career to date on his hitting.
You are so intent on proving he’s not that great that you want to ignore his pitching? OK whatever dude, I forgot how not worth it it is to debate things with you.
Present value of his contract $28 mil per. He must’ve really wanted to be a Dodger. Think there’s any chance Soto would do a sweetheart deal or Judge would defer some money? Nah.
I thought his present value was $46 million. That’s what they’re being charged on the luxury cap.
Baseball Ref. Maybe I misunderstood.
Gentlemen, it has been a long time. I look forward to shitposting with the lot of you for the next (up to) 10 days.
Good morning. The Yankees play in the World Series today.
Yes. Yes, they do.
Call in Mariano Duncan!
Mike Petriello: Anthony Volpe was the weakest regular hitter in MLB in September, min 90 PA.
… and then he more than quadrupled his fast-swing rate in October.
https://www.mlb.com/news/anthony-volpe-world-series-x-factor
I’m hopeful he can build on his successful postseason. He looks great at the plate!
Yep,I’d like to see a couple of those hard swings deposit the ball into the stands.
When is the last time Volpe hit a HR?
LA No Phillips
https://x.com/riveraveblues/status/1849866840916492422?s=61&t=fhOaqwtc8q2TMSXUDRjPeg
Nestor si, Berti non. Makes sense to me now that Rizzo can play.
https://x.com/riveraveblues/status/1849877577151791370?s=61&t=fhOaqwtc8q2TMSXUDRjPeg
All the games will be at 3am my time.
What a good thing it is I have no office to go to!
It would be awkward drinking by yourself in an empty office in the middle of the night
The char woman could keep him company.
All fair points.
Slight moves in the betting markets at the sharpest baseball book in the business. LAD opened -124 and they’ve moved twice. Once to -123 and today -121. Small moves but indicates some sharp action on the Yanks.
Which book?
Circa Sports
Cole not against Yamamoto is a game we really need to win.
G Torres (R) 2B
J Soto (L) RF
A Judge (R) CF
G Stanton (R) DH
J Chisholm Jr. (L) 3B Maybe switch 5 and 6
A Rizzo (L) 1B
A Volpe (R) SS
A Wells (L) C
A Verdugo (L) LF